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  1. Stimmt das Klaus? Ich habe jetzt seit 1 Jahr meine "Naturalisation" ohne anmeldung bei Diplo DE hier in London, aber ich lese im FAQ der Botschaft London (Frage 12) : "Nach § 15 Nr. 4 Passgesetz bzw. § 27 Abs. 1 Nr. 4 Personalausweisgesetz ist der Inhaber eines deutschen Passes bzw. Personalausweises verpflichtet, der Passbehörde/Personalausweisbehörde (bei gewöhnlichem Aufenthalt im Vereinigten Königreich der Botschaft in London oder dem GK in Edinburgh) unverzüglich den Erwerb einer ausländischen Staatsangehörigkeit anzuzeigen." https://uk.diplo.de/uk-de/brexit-infos-deutsch/faq-informationen-brexit/610518
  2. OK, thanks.. It's what I would have expected...
  3. I think it will be a very interesting situation in the future as to whether having gained UK Citizenship whilst quite legitimately being allowed to do so living the UK (in the EU) will give rise to 'later' passport renewal problems once the UK has left (whatever that means). At the moment it reads it's OK if you're EU or Switzerland (but NOT EEA)... Can you have your German Citizenship taken away later if you took a second citizenship in good faith? This would be almost worse than the Brexit situation now where existing rights are being withdraw/changed (proposed). So many hoops to jump through to retain one's rights..
  4. For me it's about getting this through in time.. Apply September (86 days) or July (96 days) absences in last year (plus more than normal in the 5 years), but I have plenty of years UK residence, sister, nieces, parents lived & died in the UK, plus property, so I do satisfy most things. But if it all takes 6+ months to process, then this could mean giving up my German citizenship..
  5. Great, thanks all.. After 50+ years (44 of which when the UK was in the EU) of living in England, I never thought I'd have to go through all of this.. I do hope that once one does get the dual Citizenship, there are no real further issues when renewing one's German passport upon expiry. There is always that question 'do you have citizenship of any other country?' etc.. I guess they'll need to add "if you received Citizenship before/after March 2019.. Oh! the complications of it...
  6. Klaus, thanks you very much.. I realise the 90 day rule is often disregarded up to 100 days. My issue is I have more than the normal absences in the 5 years, and was advised it is 'better' to not exceed BOTH the one year and 5 year rules. Were you aware of 'how long' the approval of UK Citizenship lasts for? Can you defer it for a while? I also therefore assume that if you are approved, and you don't attend the UK ceremony (ie accept), then you have not naturalised and cannot be deemed to have 'given up' your German Citizenship (in the case of the approval not coming until after March 29th 2019). Sure, in theory, if I apply in September, that leaves 6 months for the British approval (and ceremony), but it's cutting it fine if anything is questioned? I can apply in July with 95 days absence (in the year prior), or in September with only 86 days away..
  7. Thanks Hafi. This all gets a little more concerning as I have a larger number of days away over a 5 year period than normally allowed, so will want to show the actual 90 in the year preceding application. What is the situation if the UK is in a 'transition period' (2 years seems to be agreed)? I see it as the UK 'remaining' in the UK under full EU rules for this period.. And I don't quite understand if you "apply to become a UK Citizen" before March 2009 you don't need a 'permit' (which Germany is unable to supply until then, how can you be see to have 'given up' German Citizenship? Also, when you apply for UK Citizenship, is it deemed 'given' from the date of application or date of receiving the letter of acceptance? All very technical and nervy for me..
  8. Thanks Klaus.. (I grew up near High Wycombe!).. I need to apply in September as I need to satisfy the 90 Day out of the country requirements (UK) preceding application, and September is the month that works in my situation..
  9. OK.. Thank you both for your kind replies... Hopefully I can interpret this to mean that if I begin my application for UK Citizenship before March 2019 (and subsequently receive the Naturalisation), then this will be OK, even if the confirmation of acceptance arrives after March? (Processing times are quite long in the UK at the moment). I say this as I intend to put in my application to the UK Home Office around September 2017, and the whole process may take a number of months to be finalised.. The LAST thing I want is for me to apply for UK Naturalisation before March 2019, but not receive 'acceptance' until after that date, and then be seen to have 'given up' my German Citizenship? So, no "Beibehaltungsgenehmigung" needed if I have 'proof' of submitting my application to the UK Home Office before March 2019? Or is it that I need to have received my UK Naturalisation by March 2019? Also, if there is a "Transition Period" after March 2019, will this have any relevance? This is all so stressful, having been a German Citizen (and EU) all my life, and now having to look to retain my rights.. (and I'm sure I'm not the only one!) Thanks for any more help in advance.. ?
  10. Hallo alle.. Bitte entschuldigen Sie mich daß ich in Englisch schreibe, aber nach 50+ Jahre in London iß es jetzt die Sprache die ich am besten verstehe ;o) Does anyone have any clear understanding of the technicalities of German 'dual' nationality? I am born in Germany of a German born mother and a German father (who came to Germany as a refugee after the War). We moved to London over 50 years ago but I always retained my German Nationality and passport as after the UK joining the EU, there was no requirement to have any other documents. We have effectively lived in the UK all of this time and have full UK lives (NHS, pension, UK taxation etc.) My parents have now passed away. Naturally, with all the talk of Brexit, many of us are looking for peace of mind and a settled life in the UK. I have some cousins i n Germany, but have never been 'resident' there, nor have any pension/health/taxation there. I now have the UK 'permanent resident's card' and am considering Naturalisation as a UK Citizen, but I do not want to give up my German (EU) Citizenship. There seem to be some technicalities in retaining German Citizenship if you apply to for naturalisation - and in some cases, you are considered 'having given up your German Citizenship' if you actively apply for one of another country without a 'retention permit' ("Beibehaltungsgenehmigung"). I am a little confused about some of the information I am reading, and the detail in the wording etc. and would be interested if anyone could clarify: As a 'German born' person of a 'German born' mother, does this give me an automatic right to German Citizenship regardless to any rules about German dual Citizenship? (ie. will I always have 'the right' to retain or re-apply for German Citizenship in any situation.) Will I still require this German 'retention permit' as a Dual National? (after Brexit if the UK were to leave the EU - currently not needed as the UK is an EU member). And is this permit restricted or is it only 'given' in certain circumstances (conditions etc.) 'Some wording on the German Diplomatic website suggests this (translated): "Retaining German citizenship if naturalized in another state Pursuant to Section 25 of the German Nationality Act (StAG), a German who acquires a foreign nationality on application generally automatically loses his German nationality, unless he has received prior written permission to retain German citizenship ("retention permit"). Please refer to the notes below. Note: The automatic acquisition of a foreign nationality without application does not result in the loss of German citizenship. Anyone who has acquired German citizenship by birth, and at the same time by descent from a German parent, has both nationalities, without the need for an application for a retention permit." .... but goes on to state this: "Naturalization in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland before and after Brexit The abovementioned rule also applies after the United Kingdom officially declares its wish to withdraw from the EU on 29.03.2017. Article 50 of the current EU Treaty. The United Kingdom is still a full EU member. You will not lose German citizenship if you acquire the British before leaving the country . It is currently not foreseeable whether naturalization will require a retention permit following the formal withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the EU . If you apply for naturalization in the UK before leaving the country and it is foreseeable that you will only be naturalized after leaving the country, you should return to the responsible foreign mission in due course. We are happy to provide more information as new information becomes available. As long as the United Kingdom is a member of the European Union, no maintenance permit can be issued. Corresponding applications are currently being rejected by the competent authority at a charge." Lastly, I have heard that in some cases where someone has taken a dual nationality, that the German Government may treat these Citizens 'differently' in some instances with regards to pensions (German), National Service, Consular Assistance. Is this true, and is a 'dual' German Citizenship then 'different' to 'sole' Citizenship? This is not really so relevant to me as my residency has always been in the UK, but the 'Consular Assistance' aspect does interest me.. Please again excuse the fact I have written in English (my spoken German is near perfect), but as this is a very technical issue, I struggle a little with some of the quite 'complicated' and 'technical' German ;o) Many thanks if anyone can help clarify some things here! Grüße..
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